Can You Call A Film "Feminist"? (with Leena Norms) Stáhnout

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  • Feb 12, 2017

  • Asking "Can A Film Be "Feminist"?" with Leena, and getting side tracked by Theresa May, Mad Max: Fury Road, The Secret Garden, privilege, the film industry, capitalism, and wolves. Our video on Leena's channel: ___HELP ME MAKE VIDEOS___ __SOCIAL MEDIA__ Website/Blog: Tumblr: Twitter: @heyrowanellis Instagram: rowans_room ___HIRE ME___ I deliver engaging and inspiring workshops and talks at events, businesses, and universities across the world (see below for more details). If you would like to speak about the possibility of me running a workshop or speaking at an event please get in touch via email: ___WORKSHOPS___ I facilitate tailor made workshops, designed to give participants a variety of discussion opportunities, interactive elements, and a final longer task individually or as part of a group. The goal of my workshops is that participants come out of the them with actionable points to be put into practice afterwards, rather than feeling as if they had simply talked through the same old topics on that subject. ___TALKS & PANELS___ Talks, presentations, panels and Q&As allow for an in depth look at a topic or issue. I can deliver solo talks on a specific topic and/or moderate or sit on group panels. I have previously spoken on topics including: - Building Inclusive Communities - Using YouTube for social good and charitable efforts - LGBTQ+ Representation on TV/Film - LGBTQ+ History - Pop culture and Feminism - Writing Strong Female Characters - Women on YouTube - How to use YouTube/social media as a tool in your career. - & many more. Help us caption & translate this video!


  • Applepopess
    Applepopess 3 years ago

    Interesting video. I think it is more productive to talk about feminist aspects of a movie (as in what good it brings to the table in terms of feminism) than to want to put an entire label of "feminist film" on a movie (or any pop culture product really). I find the approach "simply feminist or not" doesn't leave enough room to talk about nuances or directions and that makes the goal of having THE feminist film (like you two said) less and less attainable. I think there must be room for flaws, otherwise wouldn't women be even more discouraged from producing content because the bar is so high?

  • MichiruEll
    MichiruEll 3 years ago

    I liked the discussion of "Is it a feminist goal to empower all women? aka also women who make very non-feminist books/movies" It made me think of EL James and 50 Shades of Grey. And I have to agree with whoever said that we shouldn't support women just because they're women. 50 shades (and Twilight for that matter) is really bad for the way it portrays relationships. It makes young women believe that it's romantic if a man is stalkerish/controlling.

  • Leo
    Leo 3 years ago

    this is a really interesting conversation and it raises a lot of issues without trying to pretend there's straightforward answers, it is a lovely insightful video

  • Oz
    Oz 3 years ago

    I think the show Call the Midwife is wonderful and has lots of intersections and is just lovely.

  • Rebecca Munroe
    Rebecca Munroe 3 years ago

    Remember once that Sucker Punch was hailed as feminist ... and when I watched it, I was horrified.

  • Bonnie Price
    Bonnie Price 3 years ago (edited)

    Hidden Figures is a good film that deals with the struggles of working as a black woman in 60s America, its empowering but also infuriating to watch at times and is set at Nasa !

  • raebla
    raebla 3 years ago

    I do think that having a movie to be required to include everything and all intersections before it is considered feminist is not reasonable, and possibly not possible. Movies aren't designed to include everything, generally they are focused on a limited number of main characters, and a limited number of struggles/life experiences.

  • nokiddingbrainless
    nokiddingbrainless 3 years ago

    I'm kind of poststucturalist Cultural Studies trash and I'm not super concerned with authorial intent. I think we as readers (in the broader sense, so also watchers of movies, players of games etc, readers of cultural "texts" as it were) can generate a feminist reading of a film (while also acknowledging its problems), but then that doesn't mean the film itself is inherently feminist. For example, I recently read Anne of Green Gables, which I read through a feminist lens, and it brought me such joy, because I read Anne as a queer girl (which there was a lot of textual evidence for, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily "canon") and the trope of little girls misbehaving is really important to me. However, there are some of problems with it as well. But in my opinion that doesn't make it inherently "unfeminist" just as its openness to a queer reading of the main character doesn't make it a "feminist" text, and it doesn't offer ACTUAL queer representation (which, to be fair, would have been VERY radical for the time, especially with it being technically children's fiction). But it does lend itself to a feminist and queer reading, and it has something to offer for the people who read it as such. Does that make sense? The ladies of Witch, Please (a harry potter podcast hosted by two awesome feminist lady scholars, which, if you haven't, you REALLY need to check out if podcasts are your thing at all) have a really interesting discussion on this topic at some point! They probably explained it better than I did.

  • Roxanne Joncas
    Roxanne Joncas 3 years ago

    Love this discussion, it's definitely something we need to talk about and there will probably never be a black & white answer. Topics like feminism will always be various shades of grey because everyone is different and has different experiences/influences. I myself sometimes struggle with conveying my feminist views properly.

  • Sydd Linden
    Sydd Linden 3 years ago

    I like the hiring and pay grade question! I love when studios, film makers, or tv shows make a point of hiring female writers or directors, and that branch of being feminist is really important to me.

  • George Yonge
    George Yonge 3 years ago

    This was so good I love hearing you talk and it was a wonderful discussion with Leena

  • Nicole
    Nicole 3 years ago

    instant-subscribed! soooo good!!

  • Christopher Davis
    Christopher Davis 3 years ago

    dear rowan I would love to see you have an interview with one of the original feminist germaine greer on the differences between 1st wave or second wave feminism vs todays feminist beliefs. that would be an awesome video!!!!!

  • marinashutup
    marinashutup 3 years ago

    Loved this conversation and love both of you 3

  • Eva C
    Eva C 3 years ago

    Yay! You guys are lovely and my favs. Thanks for teaching us good things

  • K vE
    K vE 3 years ago

    Wow this was a great video! I really agreed with a lot of what you were saying, and I think it's a really interesting topic. I think in the end it's probably not really right to call a film 'feminist' outright. I think you could call some aspects of the casting, production or plot of the film feminist, specifically. Especially considering (and I think you guys were kind of saying this too) you're never going to have a film which accurately represents ALL women. That's impossible because there are too many different experiences of being a woman. Therefore you can never call the entire film feminist. This also allows you to applaud films for the things they did that were feminist (e.g. starring a bisexual character) without erasing other aspects which may have been problematic (e.g. having only white people in leading roles).

  • Dulce Moonchild
    Dulce Moonchild 3 years ago

    The Thirteenth Tale

  • joeisbored
    joeisbored 3 years ago

    My faves!!

  • Abigail Houseman
    Abigail Houseman 3 years ago

    Disclaimer: haven't seen the full video but I feel it's interesting the idea that to be a feminist film it would have to include Everything: all races, genders, religions etc otherwise it can't be truly 'feminist'. Obviously all films should be working to adds a broad range of diversity in its casting and in the selection of stories it tells but I think this idea of a peak ideal feminist film speaks to the singularity of A film vs thinking of films as part of a collective canon of work. You could have a collection of films speaking to different sections of females and femininity which could be considered feminist but I doubt the capacity of a singular film to contain all the multitudes just like I doubt the capacity of a single book or song. Anyway back got video, great work as always!

  • Sebastian Sean Crow
    Sebastian Sean Crow 2 years ago

    Why didn’t YouTube monetize this?